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Let me begin this post by saying that for the first time ever, ViperChill has crept under the 10,000 Alexa mark (!). The number doesn’t really mean that much, but it is nice for a site owner to see. What’s even more surprising is that I didn’t write a blog post for weeks. I guess my 



















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I lost ‘First’ on my own blog?
Damn…you’re fast!
Best comment I’ve ever read! LOL
We need a like button
I’m honestly not the kind of guy that usually makes a comment. Although, this post was so great that I couldn’t avoid it.
I been at this for 9 months and I been struggling a lot with marketing. However, when I read your post you always give me new inspiration and ideas to try different approachs. I know eventually I will succeed.
Just wanted to thank you a lot Glen. Wish you good luck and more success
Yo Glen..lots of people look up to you online..so this is why when you speak..they listen. This the key ot being successful if you want to continue to grow online. You must be yourself and let people follow you to the end of the rainbow.
Because you have done the things people want to do..so this is why they come to you when it time to learn new strategies..thanks bro for all the help..
“Black Seo Guy “Signing Off”
Yo!
You’re welcome. Thanks for your comments
“When you speak… they listen.”
Ha, powerful but true stuff. It’s definitely the honesty shown on this blog that makes it easily one of my favorites, and while short term Glen may be “giving away” such good knowledge, the fact that he continues to provide quality is what keeps his subscribers (us!) so loyal in the long term.
Something to learn from definitely.
Glad you’re enjoying the posts Gregory.
Thanks for the comment!
No problem, glad to read your posts.
I had a question for you if you have the time to answer: I’ve seen that you have an earlier eBook published on PluginID a while back, ’09 I think: do you feel that the information in this book is still relevant for today?
Anyways, thanks for providing such a great resource with this site.
Which one?
I believe that would be ‘Cloud Living’, just wondering how applicable you felt it was to today, considering it is from ’09.
Solid strategy. The part that stood out for me was the part about testing headlines. So important.
Use to be google friendly headlines were all the rage…nowdays, (with twitter, facebook ,and what not) emotional headlines get more play (from social media anyways) …Some people even start with a human friendly (emotional headline) and then a week later (after the socila media share-storm is over) they change it to a google friendly headline .
Seams like a smart strategy…Im just too lazy for it
I personally use both. Check out the post on ‘social media strategy’ for example. The post headline and site title are fairly different.
It works very well
Hi there Glen,
This all reminds me of a single quote I wrote down a while ago while attending a lecture on “win-win” negotiations:
“There is no business in the world that will make you more money than the business of trust” If you can get people to trust you and your judgment (Because you offer great content, great products and don’t go out of your way to scam them) people will just about buy anything you offer them.
Now I don’t want to make this sound negative, but it’s true. It’s all about trust, and one of the great ways of gaining it is giving stuff away for free. Good stuff obviously, with the promise of even greater things to come.
I’ll be looking long and hard at cloudblogging while I set up Binary Lotus, and doing everything you (and Dirk) say -> Because I trust you two!
Thanks Christiaan,
Totally agree with you. It’s why I kept mentioning things like “if it’s true” in the post, especially on the email strategy.
Can’t wait to see you on the inside.
Great posts. I see some magnetic sponsoring principles at work here, but I really like your specific autoresponder email dates and headline suggestions.
SECOND!
Jeff
haha. Just a few
Is “magnetic sponsoring” a product?
I am Monetizing my blog with adsnese and it doing not much what i was excepting before i got approved from adsense, I think people are more clever now and they don’t click on ads now a days. I think i will be searching for any ad network that pays pat per impressions.
Guess while I was reading a few more commented…damn.
Thank you for sharing these tips! I have just started to try and monetize my blog and these tips will come in handy.
You’re welcome Chris,
Let me know how it goes
I love the testimonial in Paypal. That’s a good reassuring factor for anyone about to make a purchase that they are making the right choice, all the way up to the last steps of the sale. Great advice – no wonder you’re doing so well.
Hey Kristi!
Awesome to see you here
Thank you. If you implement it, let me know how it goes.
Hmmm…almost like how Jeff Walker detailed his product launch formula. I’m feeling like you either watch/follow him or have a close affinity to him. Sooner or later, you’ll earn the title…”GURU”:-)
The only thing that has set you apart is the level of transparency in your writings. Your case studies are just wonderful. Thanks man.
BTW- The last time I connected with you on skype, you disappeared whilie still online.:-) see you!…going into thin air while still visible…
Tim
Really? That’s awesome.
I’ve never used any product by Jeff (though I’m on his list) but I only hear good things.
So funny, you speak and act like him. I just compared his email series for product launch and I felt he was writing for you or you’re writing for him.:-) kinda interesting. Like I said, prepare to start being called a “Guru”.
I just finished reading cloud niche email and oh mine!!! You’ve blown me away again! Sincerely, that tip about refrigerators was a killer, couldn’t believe it. Today’s tip was worth at least $97 if only a little skin was put on the info.
Your awesome Glen. Seriously:-) I’m not flattering you!
Tim
Well, I’m flattered.
So tough luck
Glen,
Mate you are a keeper, that’s for sure
This post is actually a really good resource for anyone with a list, a product, or both.
I personally often cancel out of the add to cart section for the main reason that often this is the only place where I can find the price.
I can see how adding a testimonial there could be the crucial deciding factor. I know it would work in my case for example. If I am interested enough to want to know how much it is, then THAT little bit of copy could be the clincher.
A perfect example of how NOTHING should be overlooked and even the little tweaks can make a hige difference to your overall conversion.
I also think that you add something a lot of marketers fail to add to their listbuilding/product launch campaigns – logic. Think like a customer and it becomes so much easier.
Thanks again Glen, really good resource, I mean post
Hah thank you Alex, and for the tweet
I agree you should try and think like a customer, but the results are often very surprising. I’m literally wrong about 99% of split tests, regarding which page I think will convert better. Ugly still wins…*ugh*
Thanks again!
Great post man. I love the detail and the step-by-step you provide — makes everything super understandable and straightforward.
Thanks Nicky,
Glad you liked it
Getting a lot of great free content does make people feel like the have to buy something from you. Thanks for another wonderful post brah.
Hah. Deleting all future comments from you
Awesome posts Glen, as usual
I will try some of them immidiately, but I have a question, how do you measure the “Cart Abandonment Rate”? is there an option on Paypal??
Thanks !
I’ve had a few emails about this already. Surprising!
To be honest, my set-up is pretty ugly. I do track it (though the tracking is not perfect). The easiest way is to implement some form of goal tracking (ala Visual Website Optimiser / GetClicky / Google Analytics) for when people click on your Add to Cart button, and then view sales for the same time period of the clicks.
The figures aren’t perfect, but if there is a noticeable difference (which there was for me) then it’s easy to spot
Thank You so much Glen! I’ll try it out
De nada
Always top noche content Glen. I always have to read your stuff a few times to really let it soak in.
Enjoying the Cloud Blogging HQ info so far.
Thanks Benny,
Glad you like it! (and the course!)
I have tried and failed at email marketing. In the past I just didn’t have a clear strategy and it showed in my results. This post couldn’t have come at a better time for me because I am going to experiment with this on my site and report the results. We will see what happens.
I am however waiting on ViperBar plugin premium. Hope I’m not blowing that load prematurely but I have an idea (thanks to cloudblogging, which is a great product btw) of how I can spread my free content around by loading down with your most recent products i.e. using cloudflood.
I’ve got to give it you man, you are taking a ton of weight off my shoulders by coming up with these ideas and then sharing them. My niche is a tuff one so I need all the help I can get. And it makes it really easy to give you money when you do offer a paid product. Lead the way haha
Good to hear I’m making things easier.
Thanks for the comment.
I’m loving this site more and more. Got here from Pat Flynn, been reading for a few weeks, very nice. Now how to implement for my niche! Need to think.
Thanks PP,
Glad you’re enjoying the site
Hi Glen,
I really am both impressed and surprised..
impressed – This is pretty comprehensive coverage and I wonder how many hours you put in to actually write this much
Also, the fact that I learned a lot from this..
surprised – that you shared these tactics out in the open. It could be that one of your competitors might use this and might end up benefiting from this more!
Anyway, its always good to know that are still people out there who are willing to “give”………
Thanks
Persha
Thank you Persha,
I’m trying my best!
This tutorial is freaking awesome. I am quite sure that you will provide valuable posts on Viperchill but being extremely detailed this fascinated me
BTW, I think that Viperchill’s alexa rank increase this much due to your viperbar plugin which included lots of various links from many big blogs. Great Strategy, Glen!
I don’t actually think that helps, though I may be wrong. Traffic levels to the site have just simply been far higher than normal.
I’m glad you like the post Tho. Thanks for the comment
Glen,
You offer so much valuable content for free on your blog, I can only imagine what you must be offering on your paid product. I have just started blogging myself, only a couple weeks in (journal of me building my online business!). Once I have started making some consistent money you can guarantee I’ll be signing up to look at what you have to offer!
cheers,
I guess you’ll have to find out
Woh woh woh. One amazing post. Those are some very pretty guidelines you got there. I won’t be able to benefit much from them but I can surely try implementing them once I launch my product which should be some time this year.
I think I should move out of niche warez and focus on bigger things
Thanks for the comment,
I’m really glad to hear you enjoyed the post.
I think so too
Hi Glen, I’m really impressed with this post – there’s so much useful stuff here, I think I’m going to print it out, and go at it with a hi-lighter!
Also, congratulations on passing the 10,000 mark. We just passed 300,000, and it was quite a rush.
Glad you liked it Danny,
I love hearing things like that. Congrats!
Glen,
This post couldn’t have come at a better time – I’m just working on a new info product.
You just saved me a ton of time and testing…and will likely help me earn a heck of a lot more.
Thank you so much!
Heather
Hey Heather,
That’s awesome to hear. No problem!
There is way too much information here (and good information here) that I actually had to kill some trees and print it out so I could be sure I didn’t miss anything. Thank you for helping me out, especially with a step-by-step plan
You’re very welcome Sandi,
Just a small part of a tree is fine
Awesome post Glen,
This further proves the importance of interaction since a lot of people get way too much information than they cab verify they need to see that it’s an expert giving them information and they can get answers to their questions whenever they want. I think this is what makes you unique, you do a lot to make sure your readers are interacted with.
I also love your email product creation approach and this goes further to prove the power of an autoresponder – everything can be set on autopilot.
Thanks so much for the great post and have a great day,
-Onibalusi
Hey Oni,
Did you hear your name on the Cloud Blogging podcast?
Hi Glen,
Yeah. I just finished listening to the podcast and it is really fantastic and natural
I’m really enjoying Cloud Blogging. You guys are doing a great job and that again goes further to prove the authority behind the Viperchill brand.
Glad you liked it! I hope I said your name properly
Sure. You’re one of the first persons who say my full name correctly
Hey, Glen.
Awesome post! As you mentioned, the paypal checkout testimonial is little known – I have never heard of it before but it’s awesome!
Keep on bloggin’
Alex
Glad you like it!
Keep on readin’
Nothing has changed here. Glenn continues to be a game changer and the best in the industry in producing quality, detailed content. It amazes me how your quality never drops. Its another really interesting read and one I need to read again to take in all the information.
Thanks again Glenn and continue to produce the sensational content.
Kick ass post glen! I am close to the launch of my product and I am definitely stealing some of these ideas
Awesome!
Steal away
Glen! Thank you!! This was precisely what I was trying to strategize just YESTERDAY…esp #2.
And it’s truly amazing that you genuinely interact with your readers. I appreciate this post, all your products…and most of all, your values.
Thanks Andrea
I’m really glad that the post helped!
Hi Glen,
Thanks so much for this helpful article. I always look up to you and follow all what you teach, I am happy for this post cus its as if you are talking to me on the strategy two because it is what I am implementing on a new product I wanna launch in the dating niche….Keep up the good work and I feel proud knowing your blog and having personal conversation with you too
P.S. So sad I can’t get your products due to Paypal exclusion of my country
Hey Baba,
Thanks a lot for the comment. Sorry to hear about the Nigeria exceptions.
I think the reason for you selling so well is that we can already know that the quality will be.
We already have various, high quality tangible proof (websites, plugins, posts) etc. which helps me decide if you are BS-ing or not. Obviously its the latter
You are worth my money and worth the investment.
Keep it up!
Ralph
Thanks Ralph,
I’ve noticed a lot of your comments over at TechCrunch lately – nice to see you’re also a fan.
I’ll try my best
I introduced a mate of mine to your site and cloudflood, he was really impressed and worked like a charm to promote his site: http://www.wp4fb.com/ (see stats on the left)
1042 likes in a week
http://www.wp4fb.com/an-unusual-way-to-get-1042-likes-in-1-week/
A lot thanks to you
Awesome!
Whew! That was a ton of information to take in, but the good thing is I could relate to what you were saying, as I have seen a lot of it coming directly from you… and your tactics certainly worked on me… LOL
On that note, I was blown away at the facebook interaction presented directly after purchasing Cloud Blogging… great idea… although I don’t remember get an email notification of a reply to my comment…
Glen, you rock mate! Thanks for the awesome advice as always.
Haha,
Thank you Brandon!
You rock also. Keep well
Glen, with every post you make, you prove yourself truly worthy of the “guru” moniker. So glad I joined Cloud Blogging! Posts like this are simply amazing and it’s an honor to learn from you.
-j.
Hey Joe,
Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate the comments!
Brilliant! And perfect timing as I consider my own product launch in the next couple of months. I have taken copious amounts of notes. Thanks!
You’re welcome Brigit,
Best of luck!
This is the best blog post in your website ever. And you earned one customer out of this. I just bought your cloudblogging program for $47!
Hah, glad you like it Deepak.
Thank you for the purchase!
I haven’t known all of these strategies. I think it’s help me. Thanks!
You’re welcome!
This is some high quality content. Some people would pay to get your tips. Thanks for giving them for free. I’m sort of new to social marketing so this read was invaluable.
What would you recommend for setting up a “subscribe” service for a newbie like me? Feedburner? Mailing lists?
Some people do pay
Feedburner and / or Aweber is what I use
Its amazing that you earned 1000 dollars by offering services on a low traffic site in the beginning you are lucky
Very unique tips for succeeding as a blogger but it is difficult for students like me as i have time constraints
I built my first blog while working a full-time 9-5 with a hectic social life.
It’s very, very possible.
My favorite take away from the post was regarding changing things up and doing what works by going against marketing conventions and adding another step in the checkout process if it makes sense.
Little things like that add the touch that you care and add service to the sales process.
Totally agree!
Thanks for the comment Mark
i used facebook comments box, like buttons, fan pages on my blog and now enjoying the best automated traffic.
thanks for guidence.
You’re welcome Candy,
Glad to hear it’s working out for you
Thanks for a great article Glenn, its very appropriate for me at present as I’m working on my first product launch. Will let you know how it goes.
Awesome Haroun,
Thanks for the comment.
Great article Glenn, also just bought CloudBloggingHQ and will be recommending it to others, awesome awesome resource!
Thanks Jon, much appreciated!
Hey Glen,
Catchy title and quality post as always!
To anyone who’s running a blog and hasn’t gotten Cloud Blogging yet, we really spent a huge amount of time and effort making it the most definitive guide online to building a successful blog.
What’s even better is the interview-series with 10 A-list bloggers like Pat Flynn, Michael Dunlop, Tina Su and many more.
http://www.cloudblogginghq.com
To our succes!
Diggy
Nice
I’m getting kind of tired of always sharing your posts on Facebook and in my blog, Glenn. Don’t you know how to foul things up once in a while?
Don’t worry, my next post is about cats!
wow. great post. Thanks man. Just one thing…is it just you that comes up with such great content (cause you’re smart) or does every marketer (better than average) know all this but won’t share it
I have to agree strongly with the point that many MMO bloggers seem to make money by talking about making money and their real experience is actually fairly limited. Some of the better known bloggers just seem to sit back and post affiliate links to products. Fair enough I guess but I for one am starting to unsubscribe from those that have given up on posting anything “useful”.
Having worked for a large commercial site in the past (proper big, it was sold for a 9 figure sum, and that’s pounds not dollars!) I got to see a lot of what goes on behind the scenes. Email marketing was of course a big earner by most people’s standards, we had 1m+ subscribers and employed 2 people to coordinate targeted emails, however as a percentage of the mix it was less profitable than PPC, natural search, brand lead search, etc.
Email lists work, but be weary of those that say it is the only option. Especially when promoting mailing companies that offer a cosey life time affiliate scheme!
I really like the idea of utilizing Facebook Commenting to collect and promote testimonials. If you have a service rather than a product, do you recommend just having a dedicated testimonial page on your site somewhere.
I like the added (though small) SEO benefit of testimonials not in iframe format, but I think using Facebook is a great way to record testimonials in a social fashion.
Great article, I always enjoy your writing but almost find it not useful at all. I am an affiliate site for shoes so I sell for Amazon, heels.com, etc, etc and not sure how to implement your techniques, any pointers?
Thanks!
–Mercedes
Hi Glen
I have had problems posting comments on your blog – they are not showing. Am just testing chrome to see if it is firefox causing the problem.
Shelli
think I have isolated the problem – it’s firefox that is not working. Has anyone else had this problem?
We get lots of comments from Firefox users so I don’t imagine so…
this is a comment with firefox 4, so if this gets published it`s very unlikely that firefox is not working on viperchill…
Nice post, Glen.
Discovered your blog recently and now reading some of your staff. It’s awesome, thanks!
Glenn,
Those are some really helpful suggestions. I actually found you through your guest post on CopyBlogger this morning, so guest blogging still brings you SOME traffic. (I might say “good traffic” but I don’t want to sound too pretentious.)
I really was interested in the discussion of interoperability (i.e. Facebook comments being moved to different pages as needed).
Thanks for a great post, Glen!
The paypal thing by itself is pure gold! I will implement this immediately, I think it can dramatically increase sales!
The Facebook comment plug-in I will use as well.
Thanks!
Excellent point on the PayPal header trick. I’ve seen some dramatic improvements in conversion rates by playing around with that final sales push. It’s the most important of them all.
Great article and great tips, this is amazing for anyone launching or selling product online… Thank you
Hi Glen,
I’ve been anxious to try the Facebook commenting box on a landing page but, well, I have to get my paid product up already – heh.
So, your Copyblogger guest post went up recently and I don’t believe that your Pro Blogging screen cap (in the video at top right) just HAPPENED to freeze on Copyblogger. Nice, my friend. The Force is strong with you.
By-the-way, that 2-video series is straight money. Thanks and although I have seen CB use their nav items to push traffic onto landers/opt-ins you’ve nudged me to actually get my own created. Should be easy since I bought Premise.
Thanks again…
Jon
Thanks for such a comprehensive post..it is nearly as meaty as many products that are for sale in internet marketing..
This is the great strategy Glen. You are awesome. Thank you.
Hey,
Schweet idea having the testimonial image on the paypal page – and I have an improvement.
We have over a dozen products we sell, so rather than set the logo (testimonial) URL in the Paypal “page style” (limit 3 styles), you can set the url in a saved button.
Set up a saved button as normal (in merchant services), go to “Customize advanced features” and at the end of that section add to the “Advanced variables” field:
image_url=https://static.e-junkie.com/sslpic/YOURSSLPICID.jpg
This will change the logo / testimonial image per button / product.
hth
Steve
Hi Glen,
I came here from ViperBar settings page and its true you can create really killer titles. Worthy strategies and you’ve explained each of them excellently. There is much more to learn from you and subscribed.
Hi Glen,
Am pretty amazed by your success and right now read your invaluable advices about getting more traffic to and optimizing a blog.
Now stopped by just to check how the “Comment redirection” plugin is implemented on VIperChill.com
Wish you all the best and keep on going!
Happily your lifetime member,
Alex
I know that list are so powerfull, but do you have any tips and strategies on how to create a big list, other than already owning a popular blog and offering something for free ?
Glen,
Thank you for another enlightening post.
I’m happy to say that I’m already on the way to implementing many of these ideas. It’s a relief to know I’m heading in the right direction. I will take a look at the Facebook commenting system and list automation next.
Cheers, Adam.
Hi Glen,
Awesome blogpost, thanks.
When is your cats post coming up?
Do you need employees?
Cheers, Hendrik
Glen as an 18 year old high school student your extremely inspiring. Your intelligence in the SEO and online marketing field is astounding and your a role model for people all over the world trying to make it big online. You prove time and time again that your strategies and hard work really do pay off. I’ve read just about every one of your posts thus far and look forward to more in the future. Im already subscribed here and to cloud:niche which im pretty excited about. If i currently had a steady income I would purchase your Cloud Living course in a heart beat. Keep on doing what your doing cause it’s definitely working. I do have just a few questions that i hope you could answer.
1. When and how did you learn to code and create software such as your cloud flood application?
2. What hosts would you recommend for someone just starting out or someone who is starting to build an audience/getting a decent amount of traffic?
Thanks alot man, your a true role model.
Hey Bryan,
1. I can only design websites – I can’t program. I hire people to do that kind of thing.
2. A shared host, like Hostgator, sounds like it would be fine to start with. You can always expand from there
I think this post is value because the hardest thing is putting together a process that actually works. After that all you have to do is rinse and repeat
Everything in your post makes perfect sense. I love strategy 2 very much. Free helpful information is very rare these days and you made a big difference for most of bloggers.
Strategy 3 is also great. The Paypal checkout testimonial will provide strong evidence of how the product really works and it draws in more customers and more readers, increasing your sales rapidly. You’re awesome bro!
I really enjoy reading your blog. I think it is great that you are more interested in helping others make money than you are yourself. It says a lot about Viper Chill’s image. It makes me want to continue visiting your blog. I am astonished that your are 22 years old. Very inspiring, keep it up. Do you ever offer a more personalized consulting video/skype/email… etc? If you do I am intrigued by that opportunity, if not I will continue absorbing what I can from ViperChill. Thanks.
Great post. I find that it can be really hard to sift through all the noise and find truly valuable information. I think its great that you are looking to take a more personal touch because I know that helps me trust in information that I find on the web. People who are willing to put a little bit of their own personality into their work are taking more of a risk and showing more sincerity.
Veri informative post. It’s really help the blogger to make their own strategy.
Lots of great information.
I just build a new website and all Tips on promotion are very helpful.
I heard lots of good things about Power of Blogs, but nobody tells you where to start.
Thank you for sharing this post, I learned alot.
Excellent post Glen ! I have following your blog from a long time but this is my first comment
I was unaware that we can change the header graphic in paypal checkout page. Sounds It can prove really beneficial. Moreover the fact that most marketers keep the subscriber in the freebie list even after they have purchased the item is quite annoying. I had this with me a lot of times. I purchased a product 4 months back and still I am receiving the promotional email about the product from the seller.
Rest assured, the strategies mentioned in this post are going to take me to another level. Thanks for sharing.
Hey Glenn – this is an awesome post. I think I like the Paypal section most because I was aware of the trick and had not yet figured out how to do it – thanks for the details.
All The Best
Alex
You are a genius glen
I’m usually a kind of reader who read the first sentence then last..then i’ll see if it will get my interest… and you did.. LOL
there are only few people or bloggers who gets my attention and yours is great so far.
thanks for this, i never thought that the paypal testimonial thing really exists… i have a seo service website and i’m still improving it and maybe i could add this up. thanks Glenn!
Every time a get an email from Glen about niche idea, I find myself hard to believe that I did not pay anything for the useful information that i’m reading. Glen is really a sincere teacher who will teach you anything that other people will never teach you for free. Today I learned something about “product review”. Thank you VC for the useful info. – From Malaysia
Just read this blog post now and i agree with the freebie type of getting attention. Many people/bloggers nowadays will only get subscribers if they have highly priced products to give out for free in exchange for a subs email
You are giving out the best infos here and please do keep it up
This is a great post, thank you for those ideas. I had recently told my husband that I need to totally concentrate on my site and my blog and make it profitable, as a business and this will certainly help.
Thanks Glen, am enjoying your emails. I think the hardest part about blogging is having the discipline to do it frequently.
I know you say inside your 10K report you blog pretty much when you want (ie. you dont abide to the “must blog daily rule”) but I do find creating a goo habit like writing daily a big help. Once I break the habit it becomes a tough slog to get back into things, routines and systems.
I read your article and I must say that I feel more positive about my blog. Recently I posted a job to freelance sites like http://www.peopleperhour.com/ and flver.com and I am thinking of hiring a freelance work er to do my SEO. I will see what I alone can and can’t do and then I will listen to their advice.
It is invaluable that nowadays we have the tools and advice freely on the web.
I still remember trying to build a site with MS frontpage….
Does anybody remember that??
i just start to be a blogger & still learning about how to be a great blogger & then i found your post from google..ohh i feel blessed! ;-D thank you so much glen
Awesome post.
I read this post in one stop. Thanks for sharing.
Thumbs up to you..
Your link to Cloud Living at the bottom takes you to a website that is no longer active…. Did you get rid of the site?